Ultegra components are lighter than 105 components, making climbing easier. I can say, though, that the Ultegra brakes are amazing. My two cents worth. Architecture 4 branches pour le pédalier Shimano 105 5800. I am also looking at a Colnago CLX 3.0 Ultegra 2015. Given I’m more Nosferatu than Nostradamus, this probably means that 105 Di2 is going to be announced tomorrow. Which I am part of neither! As far as everything else, the difference between the 6800 and 5800 is negligible except for the rear derailleur and shifter. Also, according to Shimano’s website Ultegra’s wider crankset design permits frame manufacturers to build wider bottom brackets—the part between the pedals inside the frame—and thu… This was all very helpful, and gives me some more information to consider before making my choice! Since those are a couple years apart, the difference is EXACTLY what the article is about (comparing Ultegra 6800 to 105 5800). As things wear you can upgrade to Ultegra if you want, or you can experiment with changes. Maybe 11 speed is it. There are a lot of new bikes out there with 30 and 32 tooth largest cogs. Given that, thinking that I would need to replace the cassette, I thought I might upgrade to the Ultegra, along with the derailleur and chain. I think that by comparing complete groupsets you are doing everyone a disfavor. But also, friend, it doesn’t matter. Right now I ride about 20-30 miles 2-3 days a week. Also, as before, I’ve just converted the GBP prices to USD. Pedals are lighter, wider, and Shimano bearings have never failed me. You pay the same price that you would have done anyway. I changed shifters from 5700 105 to 4700 Tiagara keeping the 10 speed drive train. That’s another question, and something I’m, going to find out (and REI gives you a few months to try it out, then you can still return it, thus my snapping up the bargain price without having a bike there to try out on the spot-REI is a seriously great company!!). I’m a little late getting in on this, but I just got a bike with Ultegra 6800, and wanted to chime in. The higher quality the internals, the more precise and longer lasting the mechanism. Regardless of where you are from (Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, Florida, Pennsylvania, Texas, Vermont, Australia, Macau...) a Fit Werx' bike fit is guaranteed to be worth the trip. And yes, Dura-Ace Di2 is R9150 (it doesn’t take an Enigma machine to work out the pattern – although the fact that the prior generation used ’70’ to denote Di2 means perhaps you do need some codebreaking nouse). Your logic is impeccable and it is exactly what manufacturers want you to think; whether it be a bike, a car or a computer. Pay a couple of hundred quid more and you’d be into Ultegra territory. Ultegra components are also stiffer, meaning that the bike doesn’t “flex” under the load of hard pedaling, wasting energy. And then the next generation of Dura-Ace and Ultegra came out (i.e. Both are very quick checks. 105 stayed firmly mechanical. That being said I think my 10s can last my lifetime (I’m 65 now) plus many years. As Jantzen says it is only one extra gear. This brings the entry price point for a bike with the 105 groupset down considerably. As things wear, replace them with a higher grade chain and cassette. But the thing is, that all occurred in the previous generation of these two groupsets. You get some idea of the relative costs though. I assume both bikes are the same size and you are sure the size is correct for you; this is even more important than group. Hey Andrew, Thanks for this comparison. If you think 70g weight difference in shifters the pair (5800-6800) is going to make you faster than me good. If you click and buy something, I get a commission, at no extra cost to you. Or nicer road bike. And it lets one run a larger range cassette. In the meantime I’ll go back to my heavy, but rugged Diverge that is probably 6 pounds heavier than most of your bikes, and still runs well on Sora . Purists might point to a little more finesse in the Ultegra front and rear derailleur, but there’s not much in it. Back in the day, there was a big difference in smoothness of shifting, also weight between the groupsets. That would be the first major upgrade for me. Consider Ultegra as parts wear out, bearing in mind there is little reason to change brakes and shifters due to wear so it’s worth ensuring they are what you want at the start. Troisième dans la gamme du géant nippon, le Shimano 105 est un groupe fiable qui se place, à chaque nouvelle mouture, comme un produit de plus en plus attractif, et ce pour moins de 700 euros (en version classique à patins). That expression doesn’t come from literal year, but from model year. I am on the fence on paying up if it’s not too big of a difference. The question is whether the difference is worth the money. En tant qu'élément pour les vélos de route, un fonctionnement sans contraintes est l'une des propriétés les plus importantes pour allier freinage, changement de vitesse et pilotage confortable pendant toute la journée. Considerations on weight but most importantly feel are largely based upon the internal mechanism. I started Sportive Cyclist in 2013 to record my journey to RideLondon 100, my first 100-mile bike ride. My bike is a Trek Domane 4.3 (the 2013 version), which at the time cost £1,800. Case in point, the Trek Domane range is no longer a good example – whatever tech they’ve put into it means the frame is quite expensive and savings are made by speccing the equivalent bike to mine (the SL4) with some Tiagra components. When it comes to purchasing a gift for our babies, nothing says I love you like a new groupo. I am hoping to increase both miles and how many times per week, possibly to join a riding group as well. But two huge advantages. (*By Kraftwerk, if there’s any justice in the world). The upgrade from 105 to Ultegra is incremental from component to component and much can be done as parts wear because parts are interchangeable. I do think the Ultegra runs slightly quieter and shifts slightly more smoothly, but both seem equally durable (2500 miles on each). Fatigue would show as a ‘set’ as a permanent sag, simply not there at all. If you want to become a Shimano knowledge-sensai, you need to be aware that there is a number that corresponds to each named groupset (okay, need is a strong word). I know because like a jackass I went my traditional 12-25 on my new 11sp cassette and I basically have a 1 tooth jump between cogs. We’ll break down a number of detailed differences next. Its time to cut the crap. Tiagra sits above that, followed by 105. Le groupe Shimano 105 se retrouve souvent sur les vélos de route de classe moyenne. Updated with actual weights, deals, price, specs table, and more The 105 updates are great. If you want to go faster get a bigger engine (legs). La série des 600 sur les vélos vintages est l’ancêtre des Ultegra.) Speaking to a few data points in the ‘endurance bike’ category (all of which are carbon frames): (For the USD prices, I just converted the UK prices at $1.29:£1 to give an indication. That I am still asking these questions at age 66, and still riding at least 2K miles a year while working full time tells you how great a sport biking is!! The Zipps are 2 oz heavier than the DAs. The dents also reveal how many carbon frames might have been trashed in those years. Over time the blog has expanded to include training advice, gear reviews and road cycling tales, all from the perspective of a not-very-fit MAMIL. It came with 105. what does this turd know I hear you say to yourself in your head. Over time the blog has expanded to include training advice, gear reviews and road cycling tales, all from the perspective of a not-very-fit MAMIL. No sign of a R7050. The lever throw seems a little shorter, and it is harder to miss a shift, especially going up the cassette. But on a limited budget I would prioritize: – Frame (really the most important decision) – Wheels – Saddle – Groupset (and I could easily live with 105 5800). Have you tried both? Other features (frame, wheelset) can move the price point of the whole range, independent of groupset. Trek Domane 4.3 Road Bike Rebuild: Tools and Parts List, I replaced it with the equivalent Ultegra version, recorded in this series of YouTube videos, Torque To The Hand (Best Bicycle Torque Wrench 2020), Best Chain Whip And Cassette Lockring Tools (And What They Do), http://road.cc/content/buyers-guide/201326-head-head-shimano-105-v-shimano-ultegra. To take a left-field view on all this; people are talking of buying a different sized bike, to get Ultegra, but the most important this is how the bike fits you. I’ll certainly be thinking about getting Ultegra on my next bike. That time occurs before you buy your bike, roughly a week after you’ve bought your bike, then on a weekly basis until you cycle off this mortal coil. you could be deluding yourself because you spent all that extra money and would feel a fool if there was no functional difference. A groupset is a component manufacturer’s collection of mechanical parts, usually covering the derailleurs, shifters, brakes, chainset, bottom bracket, cassette and chain. The new Shimano Ultegra groupsets look almost identical to Shimano Dura-Ace, but there are some subtle differences – here's what you need to … Shimano Ultegra R8000 Groupsets And Build Kits. The marginal upgrade in performance does not justify the significant higher cost. Check out our comparison of Shimano 105 v Shimano Ultegra. This post might contain affiliate links for which we may make a small commission at no extra cost to you should you make a purchase. The bike was originally 600 Ultegra, so would be a nifty trick to upgrade to an Ultegra drivetrain over the long haul. I assume both bikes are 10s. In the big picture, the Ultegra group is 220 grams lighter (which is a little more than ½ a pound) and costs $300 more than the 105 group. (okay, I couldn’t be bothered to Google what it stands for). well I’ve had 5800 shifters apart next to 6800 shifters, I mean totally apart like they’re not supposed to. It’s worth noting that some bike makers do an aluminium-framed version of their end above bikes, fitted with Shimano 105. Fit Werx offers the most scientific and complete bicycle fitting services in New England, the Northeast and beyond. The better you are and the more you ride the more you would appreciate the upgraded bike. But would change to a 52-36 chainset on my next build. I’ve had a go at summarising the supposed recommended prices for the various current (R8000/R7000) Ultegra and 105 options in this table. If you ride significant miles you eventually start replacing components as maintenance items. Size is most important of the factors you mentioned. Now will I ever like Carbon as much as Titanium? That said, i will report back when I get some conclusive impressions. In the big picture, the Ultegra group is 220 grams lighter (which is a little more than ½ a pound) and costs $300 more than the 105 group. I’ve got full Ultegra 6800 11 speed, mostly because I bought a year-end clearance Giant for $200 less than my LBS was selling a Domane with 105 10 speed. I’m not a pro rider and I just use my bike for city riding. I had to have the front retuned about 750 miles ago. Cosmetically, Ultegra boasts a carbon shift/brake blade while the 105 sports an aluminum blade. Thank you for your reply. Higher quality springs and pivots allow for solid, instant engagement in shifting. I found it helped me because my hands are arthritic and it really relieved the pain going to larger cogs. Hear about each post as soon as I publish. Thank you. Yo! Ride faster and further, and have more fun on your bike. What is your skill level and how much riding will you do? All from a MAMIL perspective. Hey all, Thank you for your contributions. Maybe, for once, the trickledown effect of high spec features gradually moving down the price spectrum won’t apply in the case of 105 electrification. we’re probably due an update of the Dura Ace range next). Chez SRAM, cela correspond au Rival) Tiagra (l’équivalent de l’Apex chez SRAM) An Ultegra lever will shift and brake better and will typically last longer than a 105 lever. If Dura-Ace is the top of Shimano’s range of groupsets for road bikes (don’t worry, it is), Ultegra occupies second place in the list; 105 is third. Just my 2c. Rather than you changing gear physically by pulling on (or releasing) a cable, electronic shifting uses little motors attached to the front and rear derailleurs in order to make the changes. Subscribe below and I will send you enjoyable and helpful cyclo-info straight to your inbox. Les nouvelles Ultegra reprennent la conception des Dura-Ace, avec un axe en acier et un corps en composite, agrémentés d’une surface d’appui plus large que la version précédente ou que les pédales Shimano d’entrée et de milieu de gamme, afin d’optimiser la stabilité et l’efficacité de pédalage. This outweighs my ‘better equipment better cyclist’ delusions. The answer is Ultegra. I also have a cross bike with 105 5800, so I can give an honest comparison. Thank you. None the wiser, that’s where. All the more so if the new component’s improved performance is held back by an otherwise, ahem, moderately maintained drivetrain. I’m also from Yorkshire and therefore have deep pockets and short arms. And then the next generation of Dura-Ace and Ultegra came out (i.e. Suite à la première partie de notre dossier sur les groupes route et triathlon, voici les détails des poids et prix publics conseillés pour les pièces ou groupes complets de ce millésime 2019/2020. This adjustment allows for more spring tension on the rear brake and a smoother brake. And I am comparing 105 5700 with Ultegra the Ultegra 6800. I have been searching for awhile and my head is spinning. These are links to online stores such as Amazon, Wiggle and Chain Reaction. Which is a mangled sub-heading if ever there was one. Now, back to your originally scheduled article…. Also have them check the chain length. Unless your derailleur is bent I wouldn’t change it. I think I prefer the proportions of the crankset. Because they’re both in the current ‘design generation’ (is that what we’d call it), they both share the modern-looking chunky crank design. Your next bike: Tri bike? Sit back, relax, neck an energy gel and get ready to talk groupsets. I’m thinking this is wear on those rear gears. When I knackered the front derailleur, I replaced it with the equivalent Ultegra version (10-speed 6700). The newest 105 is very slick and, I suspect, the best value of all Shimano groupsets for serious cyclists. Assuming you’re working across compatible families, this is certainly possible. But, by then it was 11 speed all around and the rear fork distance has move out a couple of millimeters. I am a beginner/intermediate riding a Specialized Elite 2014 Hybrid. If that’s you, then you’ll be more interested in the price point of the full bike, which I’ve discussed above. Most full groupsets are bought in conjunction with a new bike. The bike online for $1100.00 includes shipping and any fees. I have a Scott Speedster FL20 with 105 for 2 years and already run through 2 chains and continue to have chain slipping when running the front smaller gear and on the 12, 13, 14 on the rear cassette. Go with what looks best to you and the one that is the most comfortable. You gaze adoringly at your clean-shiftin’ 105 drivetrain for a couple of years… and then start to wonder, “Would I be faster-stronger-sexier if I had Ultegra on my bike?”. Precise shifting and much better ergonomics. My blog contains Affiliate Links. The 5700 105, 6700 ultegra shifter design was horribly uncomfortable and the reason I changed. New bike it was. Is that the case? According to Beginner Triathlete, Ultegra group sets weigh roughly 280g, or half a pound less than a 105 gruppo. Ah, the million dollar £500 (or $700) question. What model Ultegra can I upgrade to as parts begin to fail? If I am thinking about upgrading from 105 to ultegra groupset and doing it on a budget i.e. Presently my bike has a 40 cog with a compact 50-34 crank. For me I bought 105 sets because of the price point.. Then another 10 years pass by and it’s time again, the right shifter wasn’t shifting that smooth anymore. L’énorme avantage va être de retrouver une large plage de … 105 chains have a duller finish and due to a different riveting process, are more “flexy.” An Ultegra cassette substitutes the aluminum lock ring for the steel one found on a 105. Le nouveau groupset Shimano 105 R7000, un groupe pour tous ! Posted 7 years ago Moving up to the controls, the new Shimano 105 R7000 hoods and levers get the same ergonomic do-over that Ultegra R8000 received. the 2015 Cannondale) is today’s 105 (the 2017 Trek). Jack thank you so much for you advise, I do greatly appreciate it. I purchased a used set of Dura-Ace and have well over 10,000 miles on them now. Learn how your comment data is processed. Want to know whether you should upgrade from 105 to Ultegra but can’t be bothered with all these pesky words? Thanks Nick! It’s considered a “new road” bike, both the 105 and Ultegra versions have hydraulic disc brakes (yay) the one in 105 comes in a puke green, while the Ultegra comes in a muted grey. Ever since Shimano finally succeeded with index shifting in the 1984, real improvements in groupsets start at the highest end and then trickle down the component line as models are REFRESHED. Le pédalier Shimano FC-5800 délaisse l’architecture à cinq branches pour celle à quatre branches héritées des groupes Ultegra et Dura-Ace, plus légère et plus rigide. The newest all have stainless plates which should last much longer, but again look different on each model, a totally cosmetic aspect that pisses me off, and so far I have NOT found these plates to be available separately; cleats being plastic should wear first, but another quibble with the designers and the young customers who never experienced old school parts that could actually be serviced and rebuilt. By way of example, the Cannondale Synapse (non-carbon) 105 costs £1,300. Again a value to the LBS. ... un Shimano 105 vieux de 8 ans, qui comporte 7 vitesses). As we begin to understand what we like and what we don’t like, after that 10,000 shift, we begin to appreciate ulegra and it’s smoothness. If your chain is at or very close to 0.75% stretched change it. The consensus amongst the online cyclo-rati is that there’s not much in it. 105 weighs 200g more, all else being equal), which in the grand scheme of anything other than pro cycling is kind of irrelevant. And the wheel doesn’t work with 11s. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I’m no Froome-dog and I’ve only returned to cycling reasonably seriously in the last 3 years but my experience is that there’s little between them (unless, of course you want the electronic do-dah). 11s is the new norm and you will be able to easily get parts further into the future than 10s. They’re available from ‘the internet’ in some cases for less than half the recommended price. Well, I have both – the current iteration of 105 on my Cannondale winter bike and Ultegra on my summer carbon Vitus jobby. I have been looking at carbon fiber, Trek, Specialized and Cannondale…there’s so MANY options. talk of slightly crisper shifting, smoother shifting, faster, easier shifting or difference in durability has me laughing. how stupid is that? Some misc thoughts: Titanium frames are essentially permanent; ie, there is actually zero measurable loss of resilience over time, especially from the miniscule stresses a bike frame feels, compared to radical loads of say an airplane. That’s the thing – the price is almost the same but the 2015 has Ultegra and the 2017 has 105. A post by Monty from a year or two talked about a custom bike fitting service and that really struck me: for $30-400 you are measured with lasers to ensure the perfect bike fit.

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